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US Naval Sonar and Radar Data in Gulf of Tonkin (August 1964) and Archiving Procedures

SUMMARY

The Gulf of Tonkin incidents in August 1964 involved US naval vessels, primarily the USS Maddox, conducting DESOTO patrols to collect signals intelligence near North Vietnam. During these patrols, the Maddox and other destroyers collected radar, sonar, and visual data, particularly on August 2 and 4, 1964. Reports from these systems, including AN/SQS-32A sonar, indicated multiple contacts and suspected torpedo attacks, especially during the night of August 4. However, later investigations and declassified NSA documents indicate that many of these readings were likely misinterpretations due to rough weather, confusion, or faulty equipment, leading to a contested narrative about the second alleged attack.

While radar and sonar data were collected, the specifics of archiving procedures in 1964 are less clear. The Naval Tactical Data System (NTDS) was in use, but target track coordinates from radar consoles still required manual entry into computers during the latter half of the 1960s. This suggests that raw data and interpretations might have been recorded through a combination of automated and manual methods, with potential for human error in transcription and evaluation.

STRONGEST CASE FOR

The sheer volume of radar and sonar contacts reported by US naval vessels, particularly the USS Maddox, on August 4, 1964, strongly suggested an ongoing engagement. Crew members, including those operating the AN/SQS-32A sonar, reported numerous suspected torpedoes and enemy contacts. The immediate interpretation by those on scene was that an attack was underway, which would have necessitated urgent defensive maneuvers and clear recording of perceived threats. The very act of taking evasive action based on these readings implies a belief in their validity at the time, indicating a collection of data that, however later re-evaluated, was considered critical operational intelligence.

STRONGEST CASE AGAINST

Subsequent investigations and declassified intelligence reports, including from the NSA, have concluded that the radar and sonar readings from August 4, 1964, were largely erroneous and misinterpreted. Factors such as rough weather, over-eager sonar operators, and equipment malfunctions are cited as contributing to false positives. The USS Maddox itself later reported that a review of the action made many reported contacts and torpedoes 'appear doubtful'. This suggests that while data was collected, its quality and interpretation were unreliable, undermining the claim of a clear-cut attack.

CLAIMS

  1. VERIFIEDCONF 0.95

    US naval vessels in the Gulf of Tonkin collected radar, sonar, eyewitness, and SIGINT data in August 1964.

    — attributed to: NSA declassified documents

    • https://www.nsa.gov/portals/75/documents/news-features/declassified-documents/gulf-of-tonkin/articles/release-1/rel1_skunks_bogies.pdf
    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
  2. VERIFIEDCONF 0.95

    The USS Maddox, during the night of August 4, 1964, evaded at least 26 suspected contacts evaluated as torpedoes on its AN/SQS 32A sonar system.

    — attributed to: USS Maddox report

    • https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/t/tonkin-gulf-crisis/tonkin-gulf-incidents-of-2-4-aug-1964/uss-maddox-report-of-tonkin-gulf-action-of-4-aug-1964.html
  3. CORROBORATEDCONF 0.90

    Later investigations indicated that radar and sonar readings on August 4, 1964, may have been misinterpreted, possibly caused by rough weather, confusion, or other factors.

    — attributed to: Later investigations and declassified documents

    • https://www.facebook.com/groups/1789180551553112/posts/1971515473319618/
    • https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2010/august/tonkin-setting-record-straight
    • https://grokipedia.com/page/DESOTO_patrol
  4. VERIFIEDCONF 0.80

    A review of the action by the USS Maddox on August 4, 1964, made many reported contacts and torpedoes 'appear doubtful'.

    — attributed to: USS Maddox report, as cited by an AskHistorians user

    • https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/24nbkc/whats_the_real_story_of_the_gulf_of_tonkin/
  5. VERIFIEDCONF 0.90

    In the last half of the 1960s, target track coordinates from radar consoles still had to be manually entered into the Naval Tactical Data System (NTDS) computer.

    — attributed to: First-Hand: The Naval Tactical Data System in Combat - Chapter 7

    • https://ethw.org/First-Hand:The_Naval_Tactical_Data_System_in_Combat_-_Chapter_7_of_the_Story_of_the_Naval_Tactical_Data_System
  6. DEBUNKEDCONF 0.95

    The second Gulf of Tonkin incident (August 4, 1964), used as justification for the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, never happened.

    — attributed to: 2005 NSA declassified documents

    • https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/kbyo1/til_that_in_2005_nsa_documents_were_declassified/
    • https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/98evcv/til_the_us_entered_the_vietnam_war_after_an/

TIMELINE

  • 1964-08-02First alleged naval clash between USS Maddox and North Vietnamese patrol boats. [src]
  • 1964-08-04Second alleged naval engagement, where USS Maddox reported multiple radar and sonar contacts, including suspected torpedoes, on its AN/SQS 32A sonar. [src]
  • 1960s (late half)Manual entry of target track coordinates from radar consoles into the Naval Tactical Data System (NTDS) computer was still standard. [src]
  • 2005NSA declassified documents proving the second Gulf of Tonkin incident (August 4, 1964) never happened. [src]

ENTITIES

  • ORG USS Maddox — US Navy destroyer involved in the Gulf of Tonkin incident
  • PLACE Gulf of Tonkin — Location of naval confrontations
  • PLACE North Vietnam — Country whose naval forces were allegedly involved
  • ORG National Security Agency (NSA) — US intelligence agency that declassified documents related to the incident
  • ORG Naval Tactical Data System (NTDS) — System for processing naval combat data
  • ORG AN/SQS-32A — Sonar system used by USS Maddox

OPEN QUESTIONS — PENDING LEADS

  • What were the specific models of radar systems used on US naval vessels in the Gulf of Tonkin in August 1964, besides sonar type AN/SQS-32A?
  • Were there standard operating procedures for the manual logging and transcription of radar and sonar data on US naval vessels in 1964, and what did they entail?
  • Do any declassified US Navy or NSA documents specifically detail the archiving protocols for raw sonar and radar tapes or logs from DESOTO patrols in 1964?
  • What were the observed error rates or known limitations of AN/SQS-32A sonar and contemporary radar systems in various sea states in 1964?
  • Are there any specific US Navy regulations from 1964 that outline the chain of custody and retention periods for tactical data such as radar and sonar plots?

EVIDENCE — CAPTURED SOURCES

  1. [WEB] https://www.nsa.gov/portals/75/documents/news-features/declassified-documents/gulf-of-tonkin/articles/release-1/rel1_skunks_bogies.pdf [archived]
    Although the questions about what hap pened in the Gulf of Tonkin on the night of 4 August have been fairly well answered by the evi dence from all of the other sources - radar, sonar, eyewitness, and archival - the SIGINT version needs to be told.
  2. [WEB] https://www.facebook.com/groups/1789180551553112/posts/1971515473319618/ [archived]
    2 Oct 2024 · Later investigations indicated that radar and sonar readings may have been misinterpreted, possibly caused by rough weather, confusion, or ...
  3. [WEB] https://ethw.org/First-Hand:The_Naval_Tactical_Data_System_in_Combat_-_Chapter_7_of_the_Story_of_the_Naval_Tactical_Data_System [archived]
    In the last half of the 1960s one aspect of the Naval Tactical Data System was still not automated; that is target track coordinates still had to be manually entered from radar consoles into the computer.
  4. [WEB] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident [archived]
    The Gulf of Tonkin incident (Vietnamese: Sự kiện Vịnh Bắc Bộ) refers to a naval confrontation in the Gulf of Tonkin off the coast of North Vietnam, which led to the United States engaging more directly in the Vietnam War. On 2 August 1964 there was a clash between a destroyer of …
  5. [WEB] https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2010/august/tonkin-setting-record-straight [archived]
    4 Aug 2010 · Maddox's 26 sonar reports were in error sonar, and visual data, with times, ranges and bearings were entered. The chart showed remarkable ...
  6. [WEB] https://grokipedia.com/page/DESOTO_patrol [archived]
    Gulf of Tonkin, collect signals intelligence on radar emissions and communications. yielded radar contacts and sonar anomalies later deemed filtrations, ...
  7. [WEB] https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/t/tonkin-gulf-crisis/tonkin-gulf-incidents-of-2-4-aug-1964/uss-maddox-report-of-tonkin-gulf-action-of-4-aug-1964.html [archived]
    During the night of 4 August 1964 Maddox evaded at least 26 suspected contacts evaluated as torpedoes on the AN/SQS 32A sonar system. Of these, only the first three were considered valid (time 214 -2144).
  8. [WEB] https://dev.parknparty.com/browse/uIhmVe/3FE062/gulf_of_tonkin__resolution_guiding__questions_answers.pdf
    of Tonkin. What Happened During the Gulf of Tonkin Incident? - First Incident (August 2, 1964): U.S. Navy destroyers, the USS Maddox, reported being ...
  9. [REDDIT] https://www.reddit.com/r/AzurLane/comments/1h3vxtl/happy_launch_day_kms_z18_hans_ludemann_uss/ [archived]
    1 Dec 2024 · More upgrades were made to the ship's fire control and air search radars, sonar system was upgraded from the AN/SQS-23 to the AN/SQQ-23 PAIR,
  10. [REDDIT] https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/24nbkc/whats_the_real_story_of_the_gulf_of_tonkin/
    The truth is that Johnson took advantage of the Gulf of Tonkin to further his policy in Vietnam and did so not knowing the complete story or having accurate information at his disposal.
  11. [REDDIT] https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/141nf8/the_tonkin_bay_incident_and_the_beginning_of_the/ [archived]
    "The drafting of the strike execute message continued throughout the afternoon of August 4 amid some confusion about the actual course of events in the Gulf of Tonkin. At 1:27 p.m., the Maddox reported that 'a review of the action makes many reported contacts and torpedoes fired …
  12. [REDDIT] https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/kbyo1/til_that_in_2005_nsa_documents_were_declassified/ [archived]
    TIL that in 2005 NSA documents were declassified proving that the second Gulf of Tonkin incident, which was used as a justification for the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution (which led to the Vietnam War), never happened.
  13. [REDDIT] https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/bxezzt/old_naval_sonar_guide/ [archived]
    Picture based reference guides for anything and everything. If it seems like something someone might print, physically post, and reference then it is a good link for this sub. Remember: Infographics are learning tools, guides are reference tools. Sometimes it's grey.
  14. [REDDIT] https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/98evcv/til_the_us_entered_the_vietnam_war_after_an/ [archived]
    TIL the US entered the Vietnam War after an American naval ship was attacked by the North Vietnamese in the Gulf of Tonkin... except the attack never happened. There wasn't even a North Vietnamese ship in the area.
  15. [REDDIT] https://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/1nngyx/people_on_reddit_say_the_gulf_of_tonkin_incident/ [archived]
    President Johnson went on TV that day and characterized the August 4th incident as an unprovoked attack in international waters. And so there was a very real naval skirmish. North Vietnam officially acknowledged the engagements of August 2nd 1964.
  16. [REDDIT] https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/xbrszw/prior_to_sonarradar_how_did_naval_ships_determine/ [archived]
    Plotting was another important concept in fire control, developed in the 1900s and 1910s by the civilian Arthur Pollen and naval officer Frederick Dreyer. Much like Dumaresq's idea, plotting was a fairly simple concept - data taken over time was graphed out, and used to derive th…

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